%PDF-1.3 % I assume the Star chart is accurate for the Llama? In 1931, company began to produce a semi-automatic pistol based on Colt Model 1911. Parabellum caliber was produced. Mod. VII. Llama especials require regular grooming, so take the time to brush, comb, and bathe your llama to keep their fur looking soft and healthy. Very nice gift, specially with the extra magazines. Registered Member. Couldn't figure out why this appeared and didn't notice it. Place the weapon on a flat surface in an area with adequate lighting. I don't know, but it's not by hijacking an 8 year old dead thread. Mod. Take out the hammer and mainspring assembly and set aside. 0000000016 00000 n Manufactured by GABILONDO Y CIA, ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) in After Spanish civil war, company moved its facilities to Vitoria, Spain, where it continued to build handguns under Llama trade name. Llama Date code chart. The first three years of proofing (1927-29) were reportedly somewhat confused, so dates of manufacture may vary widely from the stamped date. There will be a Spanish date of proof code located with or near the proof marks. It appears that this patent is exclusive to the Russian Federation, with exporting to Belarus and K-stan and importing from Germany being allowed. That stands for 1944, impossible for this Llama. caliber, was issued along with Mod. The date code will be something like the G*1 on this gun. Llama manufactured moderate-priced revolvers and self-loading pistols in a bewildering variety of models. 1927, Spanish law has required that every firearm manufactured in Spain Take out the base pin, located at the front of the frame and above the trigger. Go for walks together. Mod. The deal included a partial box of some cheap 9mm ammo with cast bullets. To this weapon was given the trade name Llama" which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Under that is CAL. Three are proofmarks, and there is a fourth that is a Spanish military acceptance proof. 0000013902 00000 n 0000043689 00000 n Although many other countries have military acceptance marks as well, I do not know their design; if anyone does know for sure, please send me a good quality photo or other reference information. Forum. II This 9 mm. 0000008413 00000 n rufe-snow 18,649. This example in the Guns.com Vault is in excellent condition. It takes 60 days for Red Rocket tomatoes to reach maturit. Google "Spanish pistol date codes" for a chart. 5-7 oz Orange, mid season). 0000018357 00000 n Llama IIIA series 1 variation 1- 380 acp, Locked breech,161 mm overall length, three vents in the rib, 1955 into 1969. http://web.jet.es/rafa/b_punzones_larga_lisa.html. Specializing in clones of FN pistols and various S&W revolvers, they catapulted into fame, of a sort, with their Ruby pistol in 1914. 0000004721 00000 n The flaming torch is also used in the same type grip. IX-A This is the .45 ACP caliber, to which a grip safety was added immediately following World War II. This version was imported long ago by Garcia in Washington D.C. and is in mint condition. It was an imitation of Colt Mod. I am surprised no one has answered you on this. There was no proof house in Eibar before 1927. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. III-A This post-World War II version of Mod. in occupied territories. 0000070355 00000 n III. Mod. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. Automatic pistols made by Gabilondo from 1914 to 1933 were based on Browning F.N. Roger, that's a great post, and thank you for that. be submitted to the Eibar Proof House for testing prior to being released III and is merely a smaller version of that model (Fig. The one at the top looks like an original used Llama mag, but the three at the bottom kind of strike me as being Triple K copies. The deadline for sending in seeds was October 15th, but there are still plenty of ways to get involved. 0000007089 00000 n Remove the cylinder latch plunger located in the frame above the trigger. Largo, and .45 ACP. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. It's still a bit of a mess, but if you are not seeing it, there's the proof house admission seal, the proof house pass seal, large letters apparently reading "T1" below this. The first pistol produced was an exact copy of the Colt Mod. Find new ways of enjoying your time together, such as playing games and teaching your llama new tricks. Remove the grip panels and the pistol frame. This pistol is still made. This is located on the underside of the slide, and should slide out with a slight tug. VII, but in three calibers: 7.65 mm. 2023 GunBroker.com, LLC. The left side of the slide is marked Gabilondo Y Cia. Visually check the chamber to ensure it is empty. http://www.star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml, The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Imported to Nazi Germany during the World War Two by Pull out the magazine release button and its spring. . The Spanish government set up a proof house in Eibar starting in 1923. Serial Number - Date Proof - Year of Manufacture - Month/Year of Import - Caliber - Importer - Additional Info Browning BDA-345RR-1101-HH-1977-9mm = Thanks to Buster30290-345RR-2599-HH-1977-9mm = Thanks to MusProd. Welcome to the updated GunBroker.com forums. startxref Examples: Monday, today, last week, Mar 26, 3/26/04, http://star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml. The testing includes a detailed visual inspection as well Largo/.38 ACP is identical to Mod. Dates of The new value of a SPANISH pistol has risen $68.88 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $330.65 . Take time to groom your llama. When first issued no model number was assigned but the factory catalog designation was No. Other regions have different proof houses with different marks and codes. It appears to be identical to Mod. Created Date: 3/14/2012 10:40:20 AM . As seen below, there are four possible marks on any Star firearm. Imported to Nazi Germany during the World War Two by. Remove the cylindrical pin, located at the bottom rear of the receiver, which holds the cylinder in place. III, but this has not been confirmed. What did I miss? Red Rocket is a determinate tomato variety that is well-suited to hot, muggy climates like those found south of Memphis. Apr 1, 2007. Mod. panels. Llama FIREARMS. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. Largo (Bergmann) caliber. While Spanish Mausers and various CETME rifles have always had a high profile here in the States, these desirable long arms were by far eclipsed in import numbers by handguns hailing from the Iberian country. By collecting seeds from your own garden or buying them in bulk, you can save money on future purchases. 0000003050 00000 n for Every cowboy needs a revolver. Spanish production dates. This is located on the left side of the gun, just below the barrel. Also think like the manufacturer. The caliber is stamped just below the maker's name, "CAL 7.65M/M (32) "LLAMA"". 529. Elgoiba (Espana). You might not notice them unless looking, under bright light, at low angles. Its 387000 range serial number is correct for the Year 1967, so the final digit 1 of the date code simply did not stamp strongly enough to be seen through the chrome plating. Besides coughing up clones of various FN and Mannlicher pistols, Star got in on the Ruby making enterprise in the Great War and in the 1920s began producing a series of innovative handguns such as the curious JO-LO-AR, and their take on John Brownings M1911. 1990 = AZ. The codes Mod. A representative sample of each lot of weapons is tested with a proofing cartridge, which has vastly higher pressure than the normal specifications. All rights reserved worldwide. 181 0 obj <>stream Release the slide and allow it to move forward. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. The exact year of manufacture can be found at this link for most Spanish firearms as the date codes were government mandated along with proof marks. As implied above, with proof date codes, you can get an accurate and reasonably precise date on your Star pistol. 1943, and accordingly marked on the left side of the slide and frame (Spanish Around 1997 that rib disappeared, and there were some nice Llama pistols made - 9mm, .40. Llama pistol date codes? Fax: 877.486.7278. It has a double grip safety. IX First described as a recoil-operated style of the Mod. Just use this handy translation code list. Back to "Llama" It may be a special variant of the Mod. Push out the slide stop, then take out the trigger bar and disconnector. Mod. Earlier issues had a lanyard ring at bottom of left side of the grip frame, but this ring was omitted in later issues and the grip pieces were redesigned. Classic Browning Light Twelve Auto-5 Review: Busting Clays With the Old Humpback Shotgun. In 1931, company began to produce a semi-automatic pistol based on Colt Model 1911. Check date of Roger's original post (2007). Shortly after the production of this first model, a blowback style based upon the external shape of the Colt-Browning was introduced. Just use this handy translation code list. The bullet between instead of asterisk above is something I have not seen. However, there is a completely different system of date codes and maker codes that . models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Its headquarters were in Eibar in the Basque Country, Spain, but they also had workshops during different times in Elgoibar and Vitoria. The oldest of the three by a year, Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, best known as Llama, dated back to 1904 when the company ran under the banner of its two principal gunsmiths, Gabilondo y Urresti.. Ensure the weapon is unloaded. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. The model S photo to the left shows the typical location and appearance of proofmarks on Star pistols. 0000048483 00000 n USA - - (Ammoland.com)- Some may remember the Llama brand of old. Llama especials are very sensitive and will only be comfortable with someone they trust. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod.1911. Yes, that means there are essentially no standards. Copyright & Trademarks The latter would include the Star Model A and B, the Modelo Super, compact Star BKS/BM, Star M-series, and even the Mustang-sized Star DK. commercial contract Spanish Gabilondo Y Cia "Llama" Model I semi-auto 0000006231 00000 n adam762 Apr 7, 2019 adam762 Well-known member Gold Contributor FALaholic # 11334 Joined Jul 28, 2003 Posts 5,118 Location Washington Court House, OH Feedback: 269 / 1 / 0 So based on what I know about dating Spanish pistols, this could either be 1927, 1932, or Jan of 1978. The table below indicates the various year codes. by further visual inspection. Please refer to the References . Remove the hammer and mainspring assembly from the frame, located just above the trigger. V Made in 9 mm. This model was produced until about 1954. 23.4 KB Views: . gun was exported to a different country as a military acquisition. . Llama Firearms officially known as Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA was a Spanish arms company founded in 1904 under the name Gabilondo and Urresti. My book on Beretta 391 Disassembly is no longer available. 0000011072 00000 n Though the US government has inspection processes for military goods, there is no proof house of any sort for domestic US gun makers. Besides Spain, the guns were used by Germany, Finland, and Portugal, among others. Design, code & content when not otherwise indicated are 1995-2023 Steven Hoober To further disassemble, use a screwdriver to remove the screws and pins located on the frame and slide. Now, if you look at it sideways, there is a large "6 78" next to it. 0000017958 00000 n Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! In 1995 serial numbers began to follow a coded system. Italian firearms date year of proof codes. Although I do not specifically address it, this should therefore work for Astras, Llamas, and any other handgun. LLama Model I was a blowback pistol based on Browning designs and was introduced in 1933. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. However, their guns remain as a testament to the companys legacy and are a hit with collectors today. The standards setting and IP regimes in Russia are open to some manipulation, as evidenced by last y, Harvest Delicious Red Tomatoes with Red Rocket in Hot Climates South of Memphis, Tomatoes are a popular and versatile crop that can be grown in many climates, but it is important to choose the right variety for your climate. The first three years of proofing (1927-29) were reportedly somewhat confused, so dates of manufacture may vary widely from the stamped date. with a variety of proofmarks. Once the pins and screws have been removed, you should be able to disassemble the internal components of the weapon. Serial Numbers for "T" prefix Hi-Power pistols exceeded I looked under the grips - both sides - nothing there. A document sent to me some time ago, and which I just now noticed, is the same sheet as the above table from the nice people at Ipar Guns. 0000002305 00000 n Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. Though there was another one operating for a short time in the early 1920s, Eibar is the one and only Spanish government proof house for most of the 20th century. This patent covers not only the Grub's Mystery Green, but also Brads Atomic Grape and Barrys Crazy Cherry. Mini-Mag solids is always my go to ammo. pistol. They were of high quality and have been sold around the world. Remove the firing pin and firing pin spring. Get creative! 1911. #925888. User Agreement Registered Member. The three proof marks indicate receipt at the proof house, passing of proof, and the date of proofing. LLAMA22r.jpg. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. as the firing of one or more overpressure or "proof" cartridges, followed I except for magazine capacity. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. XV.-This is a .22 caliber (Long Rifle) pistol which follows the same general design as the other recent Llama models. 1967 = XXIII. The proofs are placed before assembly. Push out the hammer pin and remove the hammer, sear, and sear spring. 131 51 0000034833 00000 n All Rights Reserved, Astra, Llama & Star: Spending Time with Some Spanish Pistols. The legitimate design patents are usually prefaced by Co." (for Concedido) and during the period 1915 to 1922, when there was a virtual epidemic of new Spanish pistols, these patent numbers ranged from 60,000 to 71,000. It . Likewise, the year 1981 was represented with the code A2. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Llama 9mm. X. Mod. Try posting on the Spanish Pistol forum on Gunboards, there's some very knowledgeable Spanish / Llama folks over there. Spanish Year of Proof Codes for Star, Llama, Astra and others. Gunswapper Member Posts: 1,006 . Star Firearms Production Dates By Year Code Dates of Production by Model for Llama FIREARMS Since approximately 1927, Spanish law has required that every firearm manufactured in Spain be submitted to the Eibar Proof House for testing prior to being released for sale. To know factually, it will work with H-P's and low velocity ammo. This logo is said to have been used on the Mexican made Llamas but they were III-A's. Also used by Spain in the early years. It was produced from 1936 and was still made in 1953 but does not appear in 1955 factory literature. 0000079047 00000 n 0000012432 00000 n The contract was so large that the company had to subcontract with as many as 50 other small cottage gunmakers in the Eibar area to fill the demand. If you like interesting and often rare guns like these Spanish classics, be sure to check out ourCollectors Corneror look through our entire catalog of more than3,000 new and used guns of all sorts. All Spanish guns since ~1928 have a date code on them. There are 28 letters or letter-combinations, as explained in the chart below. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. III is distinguished by the addition of the grip safety but otherwise is the same as Mod. These were . When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. Disassemble any other parts of the gun that may be causing the jamming issue. http://star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml If your gun was made in 1967 there will be a M2 stamped on the frame near the proof marks. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. Same firm that was founded in 1904 and produced several inexpensive revolvers and pistols prior to 1931. The "C1" proof is a date code for 1957. 0000008934 00000 n A Model X-1 has been noted, but details are unknown. If the firearm passed both the visual My 2 cents worth is only.183 with exc hange. For pistols built after 1936 slide marking reads: "LLAMA GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM .380". 0000079298 00000 n Probably the same year though, so its a good guide. For the small European and Bersa .22's. Until you have time to test fire sufficiently. 0000005854 00000 n An unexpected firearms powerhouse throughout the 20th Century, Spain exported quality firearms around the globe that are increasingly collectible. Parabellum caliber with a variant style of grip frame and hammer and has no grip safety. Grub's Mystery Green - Uncovering the Unique Variety of Tomato Patented in Russia Until 2051, The Green Mystery of the Grub is a unique variety of tomato that has been patented in Russia until 2051 by Vasily Ivanovich Blockin-Mechtalin. All of the major parts have 144 stamped on them (bbl, slide, frame, slide stop) There . 0000015357 00000 n Open the action of the gun and remove the barrel from the receiver. In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Mike, none of the marks you show are the date code. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Unscrew and remove the two takedown pins located on either side of the frame, just above the trigger guard. I found a D*2 on the other side of the barrels. Oops. September 2018 edited November 2018. Years ser. Gun Type: Handgun NIB $0000 Excellent $0000 Very Good $0000 Good $0000 Fair $0000 Every 28 years or so (there are inexplicable gaps) they start a new series, by adding a number to the end of the letter codes. These ranged in caliber from .45ACP down to .380 and were imported under a variety of monickers with 9mm Luger variants being the most popular. S&W K-frame 4-inch .38 Special? The Ukrainian Tribute Growout is a great opportunity for tomato lovers to get their hands on some unique and delicious varieties. Additionally, no proof date code means only "pre-1930" not "pre-1927.". Attachments. Unscrew and remove the trigger from the frame. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. 1945 = 1. After Spanish civil war, company moved its facilities to Vitoria, Spain, where it . Furthermore, if you're growing heirloom varieties or rare species that may not, This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. These pistols were made available for In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. Many materials reproduced here are copyrighted by their respective owners, and may not be reproduced without permission. Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. VI This has been reported to be in 9 mm. Make: Llama Model: Martial Serial Number: S806430 Year of Manufacture: 1969-1976 Caliber:.38 Special Action Type: Single and Double Action Revolver with Swing-Out Cylinder Markings: The left side of the barrel is marked "Gabilondo y CIA. 1984 according to the site - seems a lot more likely. On a Llama it is usually on the left side of the frame just above the trigger guard. At least one reader has a model PD with, apparently, the month and year of manufacture directly stamped on the frame. Get to know your llama. ACP only. trailer The Spanish government proof house set up 28 letters or letter-combinations that replace years, starting in 1927. Note that most will not be hilited in white as these are. 0000007757 00000 n Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. Jan 24, 2002 #1. 25. 1968 = XXIV. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers. Work on a new design began in 1931 and culminated in 1932 with a Spanish patent issued on April 12th of that year. In 1980s, firm introduced a new line of pistols that were more modern in design and function. Place your fingers through the trigger guard and grasp the handle firmly. Proof marks are often very shallow, and in obscure places, like far up the trigger guard. %%EOF Get Guns.com offers and news!! In addition to the proofmark, it was A Cold War era classic with smooth lines, a legendary back story, and an exotic-sounding name, Beretta's Model 71 was definitely a mouse that roared. 0000016042 00000 n X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. IV. 0000005590 00000 n IV and is, therefore, the original Llama pistol, manufacture of which dates from 1932. Sign in or register to get started. In the companys later years, they produced guns geared towards the concealed carry market like the Firestar and Ultrastar. GBGuns. Browning Short caliber, heavier than Mod. 10 Best ways to Make Money on Social Media and not waste time. As these guns took readily-available blanks and looked very similar to the classic M1911, the Star 9mm appeared in literally hundreds of movies and TV shows in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s.

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